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situation room." >>> happening now, just two days before the first obama/romney debate and our new cnn national poll shows the president's lost, lost his post-convention bounce. but there's a different story in the battleground states. >>> mitt romney could make a huge impact on the supreme court. how he could change the direction of the court for decades. >>> they make $10 a day to put their lives on the line. but they could lose their job ifs they don't lose some weight. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we're now just 36 days from the presidential election and nationally our brand-new cnn/orc poll of likely voters shows the race between president obama and governor romney remaining up for grabs. the president leads 50% to 47%. but his three-point margin is within the poll's sampling error. our chief national correspondent john king is in denver getting ready for the debate over there. that's the site of the debate. john, take us into these numbers. what are you seeing? >> reporter: well, wolf, i can tell you this, talking to senior officials in the romney campaig
. for that reason and that reason alone, i think this debate is very important for mitt romney. >> can i pick -- >> and i think the debates -- i personally think debates are so great for candidates because they can talk without the filter of all of us saying what this means or what that means. and mitt romney, you know, you look at mitt romney, he's been portrayed as this 47% guy, and a lot of faux pases that he's made. this is his chance to talk to the american people straight. i remember 1980 -- and i bring this up to you, sam, because you weren't even born in 1980. >> i was not, yeah. >> but ronald reagan, people forget, before the debate, ronald reagan was painted as this looney, right-wing fanatic that would start world war iii, dr. strangelove, and it was the debate that stuck a needle in that balloon. >> i remember it well. >> not even born yet. i mean, this is romney's chance. >> sure. >> to connect with the american people. >> to pick up on mike's point, fascinating number from the poll is this. 51% of people who said they had heard or read something about romney in the last couple w
now, we're counting down to tonight's presidential debate. mitt romney's motorcade just pulled up at the debate hall. president obama's expected to arrive in denver any minute as well. we'll be talking with top supporters of each candidate. the former new york city mayor rudy giuliani, he'll join us live this hour. also we'll be hearing from both candidates' wives in special cnn interviews. today, by the way, is the obama's 20th wedding anniversary. so what's it like spending the night with the romneys? i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." >>> 34 days from the presidential election but much more importantly right now at least right now we've reached what may be the most decisive night of the 2012 campaign, the first presidential debate at the university of denver. after weeks of downplaying expectations, mitt romney's campaign insiders are finally opening up about what they really think can be accomplished tonight. cnn's national political correspondent jim acosta is in denver getting ready to set the scene. jim. >> reporter: wolf, the romney campaign sees the polls m
system. >> as president obama and mitt romney prepare to debate, we look and how the democrats and republicans signed secret contracts, that among other things, shut out third parties from the presidential debates. then guns on campus. months after a former student opened fire at a movie theater in aurora, colorado, the university of colorado changes the rules to allow some students to carry concealed weapons on campus. >> i highly disagree with the change on campus. even though this is a state-run school, we should not have guns on campus. no guns on campus. >> members of a florida-based coalition take on the food giant to play. the company it being asked to trade foodaia fair agreement. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are on the road in denver, colorado. the obama administration has launched the first ups toward military action against the suspects on the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya last month. special operations command could have been used to capture militants deemed to have been involved in
romney as a souvenir of the night he crushed you in that debate. >> my gosh. okay. >> so that's what he's doing. because i'm sitting there going, what's he doing? >> good morning, everyone. >> it makes more sense. it fills in the blank. >> that gives us proper context. >> it is friday. it is friday, thank god. i need two days away from all of you people. october 5th. >> mika, hold on. >> no, stop. >> you need a couple of days away from politics. >> no, i don't. >> mika, all day yesterday -- >> what you say off tv sometimes stays off tv. >> i'm not going to repeat what you said. i've never seen her so depressed. she sort of wandered around. >> it was just one day. >> i swear to god, she was wandering around getting lost in crowds. >> no, that's just how i walk. >> i swear to god, she'd go, "he might win." >> no, i did not do that. now you're making up stuff. i do get lost in crowds, but that's because i have no sense of direction and i'm on my iphone. okay. >> chosen one may not be chosen this time. >> no. >> and it's freaking her out. >> it was a bad night. i will say this, i don't know
did in the debate! obama lost despite mitt romney doing this. >> i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs, i'm going to stop other things. i like pbs. i like big bird. i actually like you, too. i'm not going to spend money on things to borrow money from china to pay for it. >> he [ bleep ] fired big bird! he still won walking away. romney won with the sound up. >> you're entitled to your own airplane and your own house but not to your own facts. >> romney won with the sound off. dude, he's yelling at you! look up! look up! what are you looking at? what are you writing that's so important? what are you doing -- oh, that's not -- oh, i didn't realize. that is impressive work. i didn't realize that. maybe you could give that to mitt romney as a souvenir of the night he crushed you in that debate. >> my gosh. okay. >> so that's what he's doing. because i'm sitting there going, what's he doing? >> good morning, everyone. >> it makes more sense. it fills in the blank. >> that gives us proper context. >> it is friday. it is friday, thank god. i need two days away from all of y
in tomorrow's debate, mitt romney or president obama. could the unemployment rate be the october surprise that shakes things up in the election? and imagine flying the plane and your seat comes loose. it happened twice. we'll get right to it. we're 32 hours away from the first presidential debate. president obama and mitt romney taking the stage at the university of denver in colorado. a live picture. this inside that will. where the two men will face off for the first time. lost at stake for both candidates. according to our latest poll which is an average of five national polls it is tight race among likely voters the president has 49%, mitt romney at 46%. now both men in past moments wished they could have a do over. we recall a heated exchange between hillary clinton and president obama back in 2008's debate in south carolina. >> while i was working on those streets watching those folks see their jobs shipped overseas you were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board of walmart. i was fighting these fights. i was fighting these fights. knives fighting against those ideas when you were
nominee and former massachusetts governor romney, the republican nominee. this debate and the next three-- two presidential, one vice presidential-- are sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. tonight's 90 minutes will be about domestic issues and will follow a format designed by the commission. there will be six roughly 15-minute segments with two-minute answers for the first question. then open discussion for the remainder of each segment. thousands of people offered suggestions on segment subjects or questions via the internet and other means but i made the final selections and, for the record, they were not submitted for approval to the commission or the candidates. the segments, as i announced in advance, will be three on the economy and one each on health care, the roll of government, and governing. with an emphasis throughout on differences, specifics and choices. both candidates will also have two minute closing statements. the audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent. no cheers, aphraus, boos, hisses among other noisy distracting things so we may all
putting a high importance on the debates which actually kind of shows the challenge that mitt romney has to actually get his side as enthusiastic about it. >> a shrinking group of undecided voters, chris cizilla, what is the strategy of both sides to reach those people who are still undecided? >> you saw the clip you played with mitt romney in colorado, president obama on sunday night in las vegas, both basically what they both said is the media wants this to be a back and forth brawl, we're going to be serious and focus on the issues because they understand that when it comes to undecided voters, tend to be people, not always, politically independent. those kind of people don't like the nastiness, the back and forth. partisans love that. but independents don't like it. the messaging is i'm a serious person, these are serious times, and we need someone who has the ability, capacity, demonstrated record to lead. so i actually think both of them will be kind of the serious and sober politician as opposed to you showed the clip of scott brown and elizabeth warren, i don't think that's what'
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dates call serious hits he took last night from governor romney in the big debate. well tomorrow to "america live." back in new york, folks i'm megyn kelly. a look back now in denver, colorado where a fired up barack obama has just finished this rally. he was going off on governor romney in that campaign appearance, and we heard a very different-sounding barack obama at this rally. it comes after the president's top campaign advisers, hour after hour hit the air waves clearly trying to reframe the presidential's debate performs answer. political observers said he looked irritated, annoyed and was unhappy to be on the stage while mitt romney sounded presidential. thousand they try to make the argument that governor romney only won last night because he lied. here is the president moments ago. >> we also had our first debate last night. when i got onto the stage i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. [laughter] >> but it couldn't have been mitt romney, because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in
tuesday. a lot of his back woeers would disagree but mitt romney is out there saying tomorrow's big debate isn't about winning. polls show romney in a close race with the president, but trailing badly in some of the swing states that will decide the presidential election. well, here is mitt romney, we have heard these words before, sounds as though he's downplaying expectations as they say. take a listen. >> people want to know who is going to win, who is going to score the punches and who is going to make the biggest difference in the arguments they make and there is going to be all the scoring of winning and losing. >> so romney is saying, no, it is not about winning, not about losing, it is about america. but you have a lot of republicans, newt gingrich, for example, saying, hey, mitt romney, get out there, pick a fight, and win it. jim acosta with me now from the romney campaign. the debate, of course, tomorrow night in denver, you, sir, are in littleton, colorado. should we take mitt romney at face value when he says this debate is not about me winning? >> reporter: well, brooke, i th
the election, and by the way, mitt romney sees a post debate bump in the polls and it's significant, prior to the debate. and mitt romney in a national poll was two points behind and now he's two points up. and s-49-47. >> rasmussen in 2008 had the most accurate polls from 2008. we're going to ask scott about it on the show later. we asked him the last time we had new polls about the national polls. you can look at swing state polls and get a really nugget of information, national, sort of a not maybe as interesting. when you look at florida right now where the candidates, where mitt romney is campaigning north of orlando. look at this, florida, 49% right now to 47%, that's big bump from where president obama was leading mitt romney in the all important swing state. >> yeah, governor romney and his wife were down in florida yesterday campaigning hard and getting a pretty good reception. let's look at ann romney with some of the voters yesterday. >> every year, the median income in america-- >> and you are a tremendous asset to your husband. >> i appreciate that. you know, i-- we're doing e
romney, the republican nominee. this debate and the next three, two presidential, one vice-presidential, are sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. tonight's 90 minutes will be about domestic issues and will follow a format designed by the commission. there will be six, roughly 15-minute segments, with two-minute answers for the first question, then open discussion for the remainder of each segment. thousands of people offered suggestions on segment subjects or questions via the internet and other means. but i made the final selections. for the record, they were not submitted for approval to the commission per the candidates. the subjects, as i announce in advance, will be three on the economy, and one each on health care, the role of government, and government, with an emphasis throughout on differences, specifics, and choices. both candidates will also have two-minute closing statements. the audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent. no cheers, applause, boos, hisses, among other noisy distracting things, 0 -- so we may all concentrate on what
and mitt romney, candidates going face-to-face for the first time. the debate will focus on domestic policy only. half the time it's going to be dedicated to the economy. there's also going to be a segment on health care, and one on governing leadership and style. joining us from washington to talk about it, democratic strategist donna rizell and anna navarro. both cnn contributeors. this is exciting. i think this is what we all kind of live for when you are into politics. clearly, they're going to be lots of other people who are really just tuning in here treeing to figure out which one they like better. one of the questions that we know is going to be front and center each candidate, whether or not the voters actually trust them in handling the economy. mitt romney says he is going to create 12 million new jobs. is he going to cut income tax rates by 20% to make up the difference by eliminating deductions in credit. is he going to get into some of these details here about how this is all going to shake out? anna, start with you. >> you know, suzanne, i don't know how much time is loued in
" reporting from washington. just hours ago, the stage is set in denver for the first television debate between barack obama and mitt romney. >> it is not just a choice between two candidates or two political parties. this is a choice between two different halves for this country. >> this is an affinity for us to describe the path way forward for america. the american people will have to make their choice as to what kind of america they want. >> how will both candidates win over the millions watching? we take a lesson from history books. our other top stories, turkey strikes back after a sheriff in -- after a syrian mashel kills five people on the turkish side of the border. welcome to our viewers on pbs in america and around the globe. one stage, at two men coming tens of millions of viewers. barack obama and mitt romney are getting set to square off for a televised debate. -- one stage, two men, tens of millions of viewers. for the first time, we might finally hear details on just how they plan to do it. our north american added there is in denver for us tonight. >> when the candidate
already on who's going to have the best zingers. governor romney is a good debater. >> not so sure if he's a good zinger. the presidential last debate was back in 2008. he and mitt romney have never gone head to head. romney does need a win to make this a game changer. the match-up will be wednesday night in denver and of course, we know that you'll be tuned in right here to current tv tv for all of our pre and post-debate coverage. 83% of respondents to a new abc news poll said they're interested in the debates as well. so you're in good company. the supreme court starts a new session today. it plans to take up at least three big issues. it will focus on gay marriage, voting rights on affirmative action. fist stop will be affirmative action. opening arguments october 10th has to do with a city in texas and whether it will continue to use racial preferential as a factor in admissions. we're back with more steph after the break. presents coverage of the presidential debate. with unrivaled analysis and commentary. >>
romney and president obama get ready for the make or break it debate. but romney says it's not about the win. >> plus, it was like hitting a lighthouse overnight. twoferry boats send at least a hundred to the hospital. >>> jump topping safety. a fire breaks out in an apartment building forcing a 72-year-old man to leap into the arms of bystanders below. just what happened? we're going to have all the details coming up. that's incredible. >>> good morning. welcome to early start. i'm brianna keilar. >> very nice to have you with us. i'm zoraida sambolin. i'm 5:00 a.m. in the east. counting down the final hours to the big denver debate. >> the stakes could not be higher for mitt romney and president obama. if a clear winner emerges, it could be a game changer. listen to romney tell supporters in denver, this debate is not a competition. >> the people want to know who is going to win, who is going to score the punches and who is going to make the biggest difference in the arguments they make? there's going to be the scoring of winning and losing. you know, in my view it's not so much wi
that that debate has really, really helped mitt romney. >> yeah, i don't think the romney campaign could have wanted to do any more with this debate than they did. if you look across the board at these numbers, wolf, romney has made gains in almost every area including somebody who's better able to improve the jobs situation. he leads -- romney leads obama by eight points on that. so whether it's on the economy, whether it's on leadership, he's now tied with the president. as far as leadership ability is concerned. so i think romney got everything out of that debate and more. >> he certainly did. and if you take a look at -- let me put the numbers back on the screen one more time. earlier this month before the debate, romney was behind the president, the president, 51%, romney, 43%. eight-point difference. now 49% for romney, 45% for obama, a four-point spread. that's a 12-point spread in only, what, three weeks, shall we say? and clearly the major development was his strong performs at that debate. >> you know, wolf, it just shows you that voters are still really weighing the pluses and minu
changer. listen to romney tell supporters in denver, this debate is not a competition. >> the people want to know who is going to win, who is going to score the punches and who is going to make the biggest difference in the arguments they make? there's going to be the scoring of winning and losing. you know, in my view it's not so much winning and losing or even the people themselves, the president and myself. it's about something bigger than that. >> state and political editor paul steinhauser is actually in the house with us this morning. all week long, last week we were talking about lower expectations. is this just that? >> you heard that from mitt romney. it's how you play the game. right. let's be honest. you heard the same thing from president obama sunday night at his rally in colorado. i think it also matters who wins or loses. both candidates in their final debate prep. mitt romney had the rally in colorado last night. he's hunkering down with the senator playing obama. you won't see much of mitt romney until wednesday night. same thing for the president. he's in nevada. he'll f
until the first presidential debate, president obama and mitt romney will have the chance to press one another to answer questions that they themselves have been reluctant to answer. we'll run through some big ones, keeping them honest tonight. first, we've got some late polling. new cnn/orc numbers that show the race tightening. president obama still leads among likely voters 50% to 47% but that three-point gap is within the poll's margin of error. by comparison, just after the conventions, mr. obama got a four-point bounce to put him in the lead by six. the president's favorable rating meantime remains above the crucial 50% mark at 52%. mr. romney is close but still in negative territory at 49%. he enjoys an edge on handling the deficit and joblessness, but trails on virtually every other big issue, including medicare, taxes and foreign policy. keeping them honest, when it comes to some of those issues, both candidates have come up short either on specifics or credibility. issues like cutting taxes without ballooning the deficit or burdening the middle class. the romney campaign has
heard from mitt romney and also from paul ryan and what you thought about the debate. you can call us at at 202-585- 3885 if you are a democrat. call 202-585-3886 if you are a republican. call 202-585-3887 if you are an inindependent. we have a caller on the line. go ahead. caller: i believe that these two have sold their souls to the douevil. i think that they are hypocrites. total hypocrites. >> we have a republican caller from florida. go ahead. caller: i feel like, maybe, it seems like every year some blame them for what they have dawn or have not done. what is really going to happen? >> anger facebook page showed the people won the -- mitt romney won the debate last night. -- on our facebook page, a majority of people said that mitt romney won the debate last night. who did you think one? caller: i think it was mitt romney. >> let's go to our next call from oregon. caller: i was really impressed with that debate last night. we need a good businessman. i think we need some new energy and new ideas. spending is out of control. we need a party that can get it under control and i thi
strategist for al gore. when gore lost the election, in the debates he said here's what's mitt romney's got to do. he's got to figure a line of attack that at the same time makes president obama looks bad, makes him look good, and press that through the entire 90 minutes. it's an economy debate. that is supposed to be mitt romney's wheel house. we'll see if he can pull that off in the right tone against a popular president. it's hard. there's always risk when you attack the president. mitt romney doesn't have much choice but to try to do it. we'll see where the help of jim lehrer, the moderator, exactly how he uses this moment. >> talk to you in a moment. whenever there's a big night involving politics, you can bet larry kudlow is involved. he's here on set with us. you were disappointed with mitt romney on the convention at large. is this a time to reform that. >> particularly on the economy and jobs. at the whole republican convention and mitt romney's speech set that campaign back several weeks in my opinion. they got no bump and no bounce. in fact, they probably got a negative bounce. s
candidates hunkered down in last-minute debate preparations. mitt romney is out in the mile high city carb loading at chipotle today. >> how are you doing? >> are you ready for tomorrow? >> hi there. getting there. how are you? >> getting there. just giving him another six years. indeed, you know what mitt romney's been working hard, maybe fighting for a little air when he goes on a nostalgic riff. in this case the rocky mountains are just the right height. >> when avis boy my mom and dad used to read to me from a book called "men to match my mountains." perhaps we should change the title to "men and women to match my mountains" because right here men and women have matched the mountains of colorado. >> he's really working on the zingers. we see what you did there, mitt, adding women into the mix. nice. anything to do with the president's 18-point lead with women putting him four points above romney nationwide? no, i'm sure not. by the way, the same poll shows voters expect 54% to 28% that the president will win the dae bates. the president doesn't seem too worried. delivering pizza to a n
't blame the president for playing it cool. after all, he's seen romney in a few previous debate performances. >> will you follow your father's example? >> maybe. you know, i don't know how many years i will release. >> governor romney, you say you don't want to go and round up people and deport them, but you also say that they would have to go back to their home countries and then apply for citizenship. so if you don't deport them, how do you send them home? >> well, the answer is self-deportation. >> rick, i'm speaking. >> the newspaper -- >> i'm speaking. i'm speaking. you get 30 seconds. >> time for you -- >> this is the way the rules work is i get 60 seconds -- >> but the american people want the truth. >> you get 30 seconds to respond. anderson? >> 10,000 bucks? $10,000 bet? >> by the way, new polling shows nearly 40% say the debates will be important to their vote. let's get to our panel now. dana mill bank, political cl columnist, michael crowley, and here in new york ron christie. dana, if i might start with you. an insightful political observer such as yourself has seen
of three debates. and the first debates almost always help the challenger. mitt romney needs it. it's a tight race, he's behind. >> and tonight, to cover it all, our team, inside the debate hall. and keeping watch in our fact check desk, and also, with us right here in the studio, the insiders from both parties, ready to weigh in on who woman and the big moments we'll remember tomorrow. >> the moderator tonight, jim lehrer from pbs. he's moderated 12 debates, more than anybody else. here he is right now. >> good evening, from the magnus arena at the university of denver in denver, colorado. i'm jim lehrer of the pbs news hour and i welcome you to the first of the 2012 presidential debates, between president barack obama, the democratic nominee, and former massachusetts governor mitt romney, the republican nominee. this debate, and the next three, two presidential, one vice presidential, are sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. tonight's 90 minutes will be about domestic issues. and will follow a format designed by the commission. there will be six roughly 15-minute s
, counting the hours before the first debate, the first big one. the president and romney on the same stage. each man ready to tell voters why they should be the next leader of the free world. we have live team fox coverage. you heard the pilots, say, gregg, sit back and enjoy the flight. gregg: oh, yeah. jenna: you can't really do that if your seat is sliding all over the place. gregg: you get to change seats. jenna: or turn around or go back to where you came from. the very latest on american airlines latest debacle. two weeks into fall, old man winter is already flexing his muscles. the latest what could be a powerful winter storm. it is only october. what's going on? it's all "happening now." jenna: well, it is less than five weeks before election day. we're now just hours away from the first presidential debate. we're glad you're with us, everybody. i'm jenna lee. gregg: i'm gregg jarrett in for jon scott. we're live in the swing state of colorado as denver gets ready to host the very first face-to-face for the two candidates. president obama, governor mitt romney preparing to make the
in a resort in nevada before heading to denver in a few hours for his first debate governor mitt romney. senior white house foreign affairs correspondent, wendell goler is live at the white house. wendell, as we understand it the romney and the obama campaigns plan to fact check each other in realtime tonight. does that mean we'll need fact check, for the fact checkers? i mean how is that going to work? >> reporter: you need a computer in addition to your tv, jenna. campaigns want viewers to watch the debate on tv and log onto the campaign sites or twitter accounts where each side challenges opponents answers as they're giving. hear is the president's deputy campaign manager stephanie cutter on mitt romney's plans to cut income tax rates. >> the only way he gives the wealthy a big tax cut by deducking deductions for mortgages and. that would raise taxes for $2,000. if they have a different calculation they haven't shared it yet. >> reporter: get the democrat's view at barack obama.com,/debate or republican view at debate debates.mitt romney.com. jenna: we'll have computers up and ready
in and i'm looking forward to having that debate. >> governor romney, two minutes. >> thank you, jim. it's an honor to be here with you. and i appreciate the chance to be with the president. i'm pleased to be at the university of denver. appreciate their welcome. and also the presidential commission on these debates. and congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most romantic place you could imagine, here with me. so congratulations. this is obviously a very tender topic. i've had the occasion over the last couple of years of meeting people across the country. i was in dayton, ohio, and a woman grabbed my arm and she said i've been out of work since may, can you help me? and yesterday was at a rally in denver and a woman came up to her with a baby in her arms and said, ann, my his has had four jobs in three years, part-time jobs. he's lost his most recent job, and we've now just lost our home. can you help us? and the answer is yes. we can help. but it's going to take a different path. not the one we've been on. not the one the president describes
are in the works for mitt romney to deliver a major foreign policy speech shortly after wednesday's debate. what do you think of that? you think he should do that? >> yes. i think, as i said, right after the killing, that wasn't the time to talk about this. >> right. >> now is the time, several weeks later, to talk about it. john heilemann, the lead in "the new york times," mistake in faith and security seen at libya mission before benghazi raid. response to the june bomb raised confidence in local guards. this benghazi story is an absolute mess. i think -- i've heard stuart stevens as saying let's focus on the economy. i think stuart stevens is exactly right. americans don't care as much in the polls about foreign policy. but several weeks later after this, i think it's very legitimate now that the press is going in and a couple of weeks have passed since the ambassador's death, now, yes. i mean, he's got a responsibility to talk about how badly the white house bungled this. >> i think he does. and indeed, you know, i think right now, the focus is a little misplaced. the notion that -- i think the
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